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Mcleish Has Saved Our Club; with the players he brought
Topic Started: Jun 29 2011, 06:53 PM (1,245 Views)
wardendbluenose
Alex Govan
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This is the worst thing about being relegated, having the vultures pick off our team and turning players heads.

We were 5/11ths of the way to a very decent team with Europe on the horizon and potential to improve, now our assets will undoubtedly be snapped up.

The only silver lining is that unlike previous relegations is that we have £30+ million worth of talent do wheel and deal with. Whereas before we were lucky to reach £10 million with sales.
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Kaje
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Do you realise, original poster, that McLeish spent over £14m in transfer fees last season and got us relegated - whilst West Bromwich Albion spent just over £4m and finished 11th?

That's what put us in this situation - the relegation that he caused.
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bluenose69
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I think most of you have gone waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off what i was originally saying. It was not about his tactics, not about him in general, just purely with the signings he made & the financial trouble we in having players that we can seel for so much is saving us. Take the last season we went down we sold Muamba & Kapo and kept Mcfadden & Larsson. There is no way with the players Steve Bruce brought in that we could of raised even £35 million with selling the whole squad. We could sell 4 players & make that now & still be amongst the top teams in the division but no where near the best.
Purely his signings should everything go belly up will save this club, we can sell Foster, Ridgwell, Johnson, Dann, Jerome & Zigic and recieve a hell of a lot of income. It shows that mcleish had an amazing side but the fact we got relegated with it shows he is not a great manager too. This is not a pro mcleish post, i would get nothing out of bigging up a villa manager now would i?
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tiltontrev
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He didn't sign Jerome or Ridgewell and there's absolutely no way on earth we'd get our money back on Zigic, we'd be lucky to get away with a £3m loss. The relegation and the long term implications of it, that he led us headlong into will cost us far more than any money recouped by dismantling our defence.

He's led us into a hole then jumped ship, great bloke, he's up there with the Kumars in my eyes.
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bluenose69
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Are you that stubbon that you wont admit with the team he left us we will make more profit on than any other side we have had?
Just tell me when we have ever had a player worth over £9 million let alone having 3 players?
Ridgwell was signed by Bruce but blossomed under Mcleish, Jerome has probaly stayed the same. It will be good if he stays to see what having a coaching mananger can do to his game. I would just give him a coach on his own to work on his touch & composure & we will make another £10 mill on his head
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poppa999
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bluenose69
Jul 1 2011, 11:34 AM
Are you that stubbon that you wont admit with the team he left us we will make more profit on than any other side we have had?
Just tell me when we have ever had a player worth over £9 million let alone having 3 players?
Ridgwell was signed by Bruce but blossomed under Mcleish, Jerome has probaly stayed the same. It will be good if he stays to see what having a coaching mananger can do to his game. I would just give him a coach on his own to work on his touch & composure & we will make another £10 mill on his head

(Jerome) not in our lifetime!
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Pompey Bluenose
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I will give you that Dann and Johnson will probably be sold on for a profit.

Thats it. He/you cant claim credit for selling players that were already here for a profit. If he built them up as well you say how come we got relegated!!

The rest of your post can be pulled apart quite easily, which everyone has already done.

KRO

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bluenose69
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Can i not push you pompy to possibly agreeing that with value of Johnson, Dann & Foster should we have to get in £27 million becuase of the Carson Yeung position we maybe getting a bit lucky that we can do that?
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Pompey Bluenose
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We will get 27m for them, they cost us (off the top of my head without checking) the best part of 14m though didn't they?

End of Thread :D
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Mallam
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Jul 1 2011, 10:59 AM
I will give you that Dann and Johnson will probably be sold on for a profit.

Thats it. He/you cant claim credit for selling players that were already here for a profit. If he built them up as well you say how come we got relegated!!

The rest of your post can be pulled apart quite easily, which everyone has already done.

KRO

Foster and Gardner = profit mate
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curlyminogue
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How much will we get for McFadden, Murphy, Zigic, Michel and how much did we get for Marcus Bent? (remember him?)
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tiltontrev
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bluenose69
Jul 1 2011, 11:34 AM
It will be good if he stays to see what having a coaching mananger can do to his game. I would just give him a coach on his own to work on his touch & composure & we will make another £10 mill on his head

:LOL:

So McLies can be held solely responsible for the successes of Foster Dann and Johnson but the 'ol *ahem* relegation had nothing to do with his "coaching"...you cant just focus on the tiny glimmers of success he has left us with, the vast and overwhelming legacy he has left is garbage. Players he has signed (after doing his 'due diligence') have largely been complete flops, there's not a single club in the top two divisions who would take the likes of Michel, Fahey, Bent, Murphy...all McLeish signings, all terrible, and that coupled with his apalling team selections and tactics are the reason that we HAVE to sell the defence that has kept our heads above water the last three years.


Goodbye and good riddance, i just hope and pray he brings the same outstanding 'successes' to his new employers as he bought to us :D
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Pompey Bluenose
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The 18 month due dilligence on Michel was hilarious, McBoreoff ruined that blokes career, he was a much sort after captain of his hometown team, on the verge of the Spain squad and now he's a forgotten nobody. I bet he's smacked his agent more than once!

It's swings and roundabouts at the end of the day, the money we WON'T recoupe on shocking signings will even out with the profit on the decent ones.

The money we'll lose on Zigic and Michel will wipe out the Johson and Foster profit.
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tiltontrev
Jul 1 2011, 12:49 PM
bluenose69
Jul 1 2011, 11:34 AM
It will be good if he stays to see what having a coaching mananger can do to his game. I would just give him a coach on his own to work on his touch & composure & we will make another £10 mill on his head

:LOL:

So McLies can be held solely responsible for the successes of Foster Dann and Johnson but the 'ol *ahem* relegation had nothing to do with his "coaching"...you cant just focus on the tiny glimmers of success he has left us with, the vast and overwhelming legacy he has left is garbage. Players he has signed (after doing his 'due diligence') have largely been complete flops, there's not a single club in the top two divisions who would take the likes of Michel, Fahey, Bent, Murphy...all McLeish signings, all terrible, and that coupled with his apalling team selections and tactics are the reason that we HAVE to sell the defence that has kept our heads above water the last three years.


Goodbye and good riddance, i just hope and pray he brings the same outstanding 'successes' to his new employers as he bought to us :D

spot on. further to this McPondlife cited transfer interfearence as a contribution to his constructive dismissal claim.

Know doubt he'll say Foster, Johnson, Carr, Dann & Uphll Gardener were his choices & Bent, Zigic, Hleb, Bentley, Derbyshire & Fahey were forced on him.

I'm not even going near the Michel situation which is almost criminal in the way the guys careers has been dismantalled,.
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bathsheba
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Let's not forget the killer fact...

Many of his signings were so poor that even Eck could not bear to play them, or bring them onto the pitch before the 89th minute in one of his many brilliant tactical coups.
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beegeeblueboy
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He brought in the players we are hoping for big money and big profit from: Foster, Dann, Johnson, Ferguson and increasing the worth of Ridgewell and Jerome. And of course the already gone Gardner.

In our apparent financial plight maybe we should be grateful to
him?
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Jim Jimmeney
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Paul Tait
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http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=75079
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Mallam
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His signings on the whole were very good indeed and much better than 90% of other prem managers to be honest, tactics were poor but he has an eye for a good player.
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Mallam
Jul 3 2011, 09:56 AM
His signings on the whole were very good indeed and much better than 90% of other prem managers to be honest, tactics were poor but he has an eye for a good player.

He sure has: then he puts them on the bench.
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bluenoseboris
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tilton trev
loved your tribute to bruce!
loved the man and was devasted when he left
(no Im not queer either)
I met him personally several times and he was straight and up front with me
then he left for the ££££££££££££££££££££££
no problem at all with that other than the fact that he never was
as open at the end as in all the time at brum. All he had to do was to be as honest
during the last 10 mins at the club as in all the years before
Bruce=
great manager
great loss
ran out on BCFC for the £ and couldnt simply state the fact that he went for the £££
Savage
Bruce
Gardner
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Money talks and they will retire very rich
id like to think there is more to life than that = maybe im wrong
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bluenosewelsh
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Mallam
Jul 3 2011, 09:56 AM
His signings on the whole were very good indeed and much better than 90% of other prem managers to be honest, tactics were poor but he has an eye for a good player.

He has a good eye for a defender, but I don't think he would recognise a quality forward if one punched him in the eye. The same could be said of Bruce.... maybe because they were both centrehalves ?
It's stating the obvious, but a lot of what determines the quality of a manager is what percentage of their signings are an unqualified success. For Mcvillan and Brucie the figure is way too low. People on here keep banging on about the board not spending enough, but other clubs achieve more from less. It was often the case with the previous owners; the amount of money lost on rubbish signings was truely awful.
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bluenosewelsh
Jul 3 2011, 06:07 PM
Mallam
Jul 3 2011, 09:56 AM
His signings on the whole were very good indeed and much better than 90% of other prem managers to be honest, tactics were poor but he has an eye for a good player.

He has a good eye for a defender, but I don't think he would recognise a quality forward if one punched him in the eye. The same could be said of Bruce.... maybe because they were both centrehalves ?
It's stating the obvious, but a lot of what determines the quality of a manager is what percentage of their signings are an unqualified success. For Mcvillan and Brucie the figure is way too low. People on here keep banging on about the board not spending enough, but other clubs achieve more from less. It was often the case with the previous owners; the amount of money lost on rubbish signings was truely awful.

Basically, McLeech's best job would be a Defensive Scout.

Not a football manager.

He saved us as much as Gaddafi has saved Libya.
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bluenose69
Jul 1 2011, 10:34 AM
Are you that stubbon that you wont admit with the team he left us we will make more profit on than any other side we have had?
Just tell me when we have ever had a player worth over £9 million let alone having 3 players?
Ridgwell was signed by Bruce but blossomed under Mcleish, Jerome has probaly stayed the same. It will be good if he stays to see what having a coaching mananger can do to his game. I would just give him a coach on his own to work on his touch & composure & we will make another £10 mill on his head

These increased valuations are because of the silly transfer values now. The players we are selling better now F / D / J are worth more than their earlier counterparts but no as much as the increase in valuations suggests.
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B25 YEWTREE LOYAL
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OP change the title of the topic
I cant even bare to see his name in Blue

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